I know about the newb kit, but having burned to death, was unable to get the new kit. makes a change from moderating another server I guess off to bed as need to work soon, but will make note of the names and re-read the wiki, thanks for the advice <object class="emojione" data="https://resources.enjin.com/1489581540/themes/core/images/emojione/svg/1f642.svg?0" type="image/svg+xml" standby=":)">:)</object>